Robocop Trilogy

ROBOCOP

Since my recent viewing of the TERMINATOR trilogy was a smashing success I decided to look for some other ’80s-’90s sci-fi/action robot trilogy to watch, and I came up with ROBOCOP. I’d seen the first one a million (1,000,000) times and never seen the sequels, but I had a pretty good idea it was not gonna be pretty. And it wasn’t.

To me the real trilogy is not ROBOCOP 1-3, it’s ROBOCOP, TOTAL RECALL and then STARSHIP TROOPERS, Paul Verhoeven’s three ultraviolent, FX heavy studio sci-fi action satires. ROBOCOP started off that trilogy with a bang, and even including those other Verhoeven classics there’s really nothing quite like this one. Its unique approach is established at the very beginning when it opens with a TV newsbreak (co-anchored by Leeza Gibbons) that’s a weird hybrid of news from the ’80s and from today. We learn alot from the TVs in this movie: the world is in chaos, with wars and rebel attacks a regular part of life, deadly fires caused by a laser misfire of “The Star Wars Global Peace Platform” in space, but there’s a nuclear war themed game you can buy and a really good artificial heart (is a surgery ad really that different from the prescription drug ads we already have?) and a popular comedy where a dude always says “I’ll buy that for a dollar!” and everybody laughs. They really capture the feel of the ’80s and the 2000s, that it’s a crazy fuckin nightmare but everybody’s used to it and doesn’t care. This movie predicted everything but Paris Hilton. They weren’t too far off predicting what police cars would look like (those things looked futuristic in 1987, now they just look the wrong color) and there’s even a DVD in this movie when the villain, Clarence Boddicker, storms into a penthouse, pulls out what at that time appeared to be a CD, and plays a video from it.

RoboCopIn fact I think it’s mainly the details of this world that make the movie work so well. The movie seems more dated than some of the other classics of the era, some of it is a little cheesy and although I still like the stop motion animation of the ED-209 that was so cool at the time I’m sure kids now would laugh at it. But as much as the ideas of the future come out of the ’80s they still seem believable. I mean, I bet these corporate executives really do have stock tickers above their urinals. And the guy making a speech in front of a bank of monitors showing animated corporate logos and footage of war planes doesn’t seem that exaggerated anymore.

Into this futuristic world they put a very classic sort of Frankenstein story. Peter Weller is Murphy, a cop new to Detroit who gets killed on duty (in fact completely fuckin massacred) and they use what’s left of him to control this new cyborg police officer that Omni Consumer Products is developing. Of course he never realized he volunteered for this sort of thing, but it’s standard in the police officer’s contract. We see alot of the building of Robocop from his perspective, like we’re half awake during surgery. So we know they managed to recover one of his arms but OCP had them get rid of it because to them robotic would be better. And we know he knows this. His builders are oblivious to his humanity, they don’t even notice when his bad dreams start showing up on their TV monitors, and they are completely surprised when he gets up and walks away.

The action and comedy of the movie are pretty simple, it’s basically your usual cop story but exaggerated. Robo remembers the gang who killed him and goes after them. The violence from both sides is heightened so the criminals get ahold of a powerful new gun that can blow up a car with one shot, and they walk around the streets laughing and shooting cars for fun. A rapist is shot in the balls, a gas station blows up around Robo, a guy gets melted by toxic waste, a woman tries to hug Robocop and it’s awkward. Robo goes after a guy in a dance club and when he knocks the gun out of his hand somebody else catches it and just dances with it.

The heart of the movie is Nancy Allen as his partner Lewis, the only person who recognizes Murphy inside there and tries to get him to remember who he is. And of course his flashbacks to his old life. The poor bastard. Throughout the movie he slowly reclaims that little chunk of human flesh at the top of his robotic body. He takes off his visor, revealing his face, and the very last scene is him saying his name is Murphy and then it cuts to the title, the credits and the glorious theme by the late great Basil Pouledaris.

Wow, I just realized ROBOCOP turned twenty last month. It’s old enough to sneak into clubs and to get a cheesy back tattoo. I’m not gonna say it’s perfect like I recently said about ALIENS, but as a fun and well told action movie I think it holds up about 90%. Verhoeven’s direction is so clever and dramatic the way he stages the creation of Robocop with all the POV shots and not showing what he looks like at first and showing the shocked reactions of the other cops. And there is this whole world, not just the corporate culture I mentioned before but also the rough life of the police officers, with the looming threat of a strike. And Verhoeven threw in the co-ed shower concept he also used ten years later in STARSHIP TROOPERS.

(Speaking of the cops in this movie, the character Johnson played by Felton Perry is the one actor besides Nancy Allen who returns in all three movies. I thought he looked real familiar and when I looked him up sure enough he was Dirty Harry’s partner Early in MAGNUM FORCE as well as Buford Pusser’s partner Obra in WALKING TALL. So this guy has a great record of movie police work. He should get a medal. I apologize for not remembering who he was.)

After he becomes Robocop and you get used to him the story and characters seem pretty simple, especially after you’ve seen it as many times as I have. And some of the settings look pretty cheap. But there are a bunch of memorable sequences like Robo’s fight with ED-209 (foiled because he can’t walk down stairs) and getting shot up by the other cops and having to flee, and finally the showdown in the board room, the perfect place to end this shit.

Some of the story gets a little stale after watching it over and over but the details of the world, the dark sense of humor and that pure Verhoeven tone make it hard not to love. It’s a genuine classic.

ROBOCOP 2-3

It’s easy to see why they thought you could make good ROBOCOP sequels. It was such an interesting world and concept, and done fairly cheap, why not expand on it? Unfortunately the sequels are missing two major things that made the original great – 1: a focus on the character of Murphy and how he becomes Robocop and 2: the crazy fuckin madman Paul Verhoeven.

RoboCop 2ROBOCOP 2 is worth watching because it’s full of great ideas. There’s a funny opening scene where you hear that the police went through with their strike and then it pans across a series of intersecting crimes. Later Robo is in a faceoff with an armed little boy who says “Can’t shoot a kid, can you, fucker?” and shoots him. This turns out to be the leader of the drug gang. There’s also an entire little league team, in uniform, led by their coach, who rob a store. (a one-up of the Baseball Furies.) The new model of cyborg is made from a cult leader/drug gang leader so it turns out to be a junkie robot and, like the movie itself, it’s called Robocop 2. When they’re building it there’s a great scene where the dead guy’s brain and eyeballs are in a jar and you see through their POV watching doctors have a conversation while casually holding his hollowed out head. Also, Detroit owes OCP so much money there’s a hostile takeover and the city becomes corporate owned.

The original script was by Frank Miller, the comic book guy who did SIN CITY and supposedly influenced the original ROBOCOP. So he has all kinds of these great over-the-top ideas but either he didn’t know how to sculpt them into a movie or the guy who rewrote it fucked it up or maybe the director blew it. It’s Irvin Kershner (director of STAR WARS 2, cameo in ON DEADLY GROUND) but his direction here gets cheesier and broader than Verhoeven’s. There are characters that just don’t work, like the mayor who seems too young to be mayor, too much of an over-actor to be in this movie, not funny enough for how funny he seems to think he is, and then he makes matters worse by making outraged speeches about what’s going on. Verhoeven trusted the audience to understand what an ugly world this was, this movie has to have speeches to explain it to you in case you’re an idiot.

If you ask me the very best thing about ROBOCOP 2 is a great scene where you find out that because of his memories of his family before he died Murphy has been sort of stalking his wife and kid. He has been driving by the house and spying on them. We learn this when some pricks from the company sit him down and lecture him about scaring her and try to get him to say that he is a machine. For most of the scene the camera is close on Peter Weller’s face, without its visor, disgustingly attached to a robot head. It’s hard to really make out his emotions there, he definitely looks sad and a little like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and sort of like he doesn’t want them to know his emotions. Whatever it is it’s tragic.

But then they barely follow up on this great idea other than a few token appearances by the saintly wife not aware of what he’s going through and convinced that the machine is not Murphy. And the movie spends so much time on the junkie criminal becoming Robocop 2 and the corporate bitch who arranges the whole thing and various other subplots that Robo never gets enough focus. It’s like so many failed genre movies of the time, it seems more like a list of ideas they had than an actual story unfolding. There are good bits here and there but you don’t feel like you’re going anywhere and you’re just happy when it ends.

ROBOCOP 3 should probaly be called HELLO, WE DIDN’T GET THE FIRST ROBOCOP AT ALL, THAT’S WHY WE MADE THIS UNWATCHABLE PILE OF HORSE SHIT. Pretty much from beginning to end it is clear that everything I liked about ROBOCOP, anyway, went soaring over these people’s heads.

RoboCop 3First of all, this is a PG-13 movie. ROBOCOP was a movie that deliberately went too far with its violence. Verhoeven wanted to take the glorified violence of American action movies to its logical conclusion. By part 3 the violence is not trying to shock you, it’s trying to be appropriate for children. It’s a bad comic book. Kids liked the first one, even though it was for adults, so now they just figure they should make the kind of crap they imagine kids probaly like. Maybe they should do that with KILL BILL next. Or FRIDAY THE 13th. When parents allowed their kids to see these movies it was understood as an agreement that for the sequels they just want to stay home and let their kids go by themselves.

In fact, this movie starts out with a little girl who you know loves Robocop because she has a doll of him. The real Robocop doesn’t even show up until 15 minutes in. Actually, it’s not even the real Robocop because they couldn’t get Peter Weller to come back. They couldn’t even get the animatronic Peter Weller head from part 2 to come back, it wanted script approval. Hell, they couldn’t even get Leeza Gibbons to come back. Even Leeza must’ve said what the fuck are you clowns doing? This crap is supposed to be fuckin Robocop!?

In ROBOCOP Murphy was basically Frankenstein’s monster. But in part 3 here, he utterly fails to throw the little girl in the water and drown her. She lasts throughout the movie. Verhoeven’s Robocop was a guy who went too far, the idea was that a robotic cop is a bad idea, it’s supposed to make you uncomfortable. But sort of in part 2 and definitely in part 3 you are just supposed to think that’s cool, a robot who shoots everybody! And now he can fly. Instead of being one of the few people with a heart left in a cruel world he is part of a literally underground team of earnest multi-cultural rebels.

One thing that’s kind of weird, they have quite a cast of future TV all stars. Rip Torn (Larry Sanders Show) is the CEO of OCP. Bradley Whitford (the West Wing) is one of his top guys. Stephen Root (NewsRadio, King of the Hill) is one of the rebels, so are CCH Pounder (The Shield) and Jill Hennessy (Crossing Jordan). And Jeff Garlin (Curb Your Enthusiasm) is the guy working at the donut shop where all the cops hang out. There might be some other people I didn’t recognize. It’s good that these people were in here because it creates a curiosity factor, you can play a spot the up and coming TV actors game to occupy your time until the damn thing ends.

Everything about these movies devolves over the three, from the skill of storytelling to the depth of character to the quality of the production design to the level of violence. The one and only thing that grows throughout the trilogy is Lewis’s hair. It gets longer in part 2 and longest in part 3. That is the extent of the journey that this series will take you on.

I didn’t think part 2 worked, but I can list plenty of things I liked about it. Unfortunately that’s not the case with this one. It’s not only the guy playing Robocop who’s been replaced, it’s also the whole spirit and attitude of the original movie. Instead of extrapolating a future to say something about what’s going on in the world today they just look for “fun” comic book concepts of silly things that could happen in a phony kid’s comic book future. Instead of exaggerating the violence to make a point about our attitudes about violence in movies they intentionally tone down the violence to be appropriate for kids. Robocop is now no different from TJ LAZER, the show his kid watched on TV in the first movie.

I mean go back to part 1 and look at that classic board room scene where a demonstration of ED-209 goes awry. A volunteer is chosen to hold a gun and the robot tells him to put it down. He does, but the robot keeps counting down: “YOU HAVE TEN SECONDS TO COMPLY…” The thing doesn’t work, it thinks he still has the gun, so it fills him with literally hundreds of bullets. The body falls on the table and it just keeps firing its machine guns into him, it’s a fuckin mess. Even twenty years later that scene is hilariously brutal and eerily believable. I mean if they really had these robots, I believe this would happen.

In that scene the OCP boss is pissed. Not because one of his guys is dead. Not because he is liable for this accidental death. He’s mad because this is gonna cause delays that will cost the company millions of dollars. That’s the Verhoeven way. He paints a portrait of this ugly world and what makes it true is that everyone goes along with it. Life really is ugly and people really are okay with it.

But if the ED-209 incident was in ROBOCOP 3 there would be someone there with a conscience who would point out how bad it is. “Are you crazy? How can you be talking about money? A man just died!” ROBOCOP 3, you just don’t get it, man.

You know what, I’m gonna cap this all off by getting poetical on your ass. ROBOCOP is just like Robocop himself: a slick, deadly machine with a small piece of human struggling to keep it under control and to be noticed from inside. ROBOCOP 2 is like Robocop 2: a junkie robot. Maybe you met him at a bus station or something. He kept rambling and you have to admit he came up with some pretty interesting things to say here and there but it was all jumbled and ultimately lost you. And then ROBOCOP 3 is like that guy who is not Peter Weller playing Robocop. He’s wearing the suit but nobody’s gonna confuse him for Robocop. He hangs out on Hollywood Boulevard and he lets you take your picture with him and then he tries to guilt you into giving him money. Just tell him to have a nice day and then take off. He’ll keep talking but do not engage, just pretend you don’t hear him.

Actually, I got one last thing. At this time I would like to request that any soul-less movie studio executives please stop reading. Go check the stock reports or something. The following material is not for your eyes. I am going to have to go with the honor system but please stop reading. If you keep reading and then this gives you the idea to do a certain thing I am discussing here but you fuck it up then that constitutes a contract wherein you agree to give me 50% of all profits from said mistake. So you better stop reading. thanks fellas I appreciate it. Last chance.

Okay, here goes nothing. I know this is asking for it, but I think ROBOCOP is a perfect candidate for a remake. The only problem is that I can’t think of anybody I’d want to do it besides Verhoeven himself. If they did it they’d probaly get some chump who didn’t get what Verhoeven was doing and would just try to make a robot movie with digital age effects. But if Verhoeven went back to this idea from a modern perspective it could be a god damn masterpiece.

I mean think about it: when ROBOCOP came out Rodney King and the LA riots had not even happened. Let alone OJ Simpson, Amadou Diallo, the various police brutality incidents that inspired DO THE RIGHT THING, the ATF siege at Waco, the “Free Speech Zones” that started with the WTO riots and flourished through the Bush era. The militarization of the police force shown in Robocop doesn’t seem futuristic anymore, they really do wear armor now and carry more weapons and occasionally they drive tanks through city streets. I want to see a Robocop movie for the modern age, one that addresses the racial issues of modern policing, the PATRIOT Act, the drug war and the police being turned against citizens at protests. I want to see a ROBOCOP for the Halliburton era, with Mediabreaks for the post 9-11 landscape.

Somebody told me a few years ago that Verhoeven wanted to do another ROBOCOP, but only if he could call it ROBOCOP 2. Doesn’t sound very official to me but shit, give him a greenlight. It could be magic.

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52 Responses to “Robocop Trilogy”

  1. Hey folks, did you see that fucking cool Robocop 3 teaser poster? I seriously want one, even if it would be better for all of us to forget that there ever was a part 3.

    http://www.impawards.com/1993/robocop_three_ver1.html

  2. “BACK TO STOP THE VIOLENCE…WITH MORE VIOLENCE!”

    Awesome.

  3. I’m watching Robocop and what’s striking me about this movie that I hadn’t really noticed is how good Weller is. He’s actually really affecting in the first chunk of the movie when he’s Murphy, and when he becomes Robocop, he does a good job playing the Universal monster-y icon that Robocop is. And as the movie goes on, he does a great great job playing the subtle alterations from machine to machine struggling with its humanity, to reborn man. Watching his jerky, mechanical movements when Robocop first starts out, its actually pretty creepy and disturbing, like when they show footage of him with school kids.

  4. Peter Weller is the heart and soul of ROBOCOP. I can’t imagine the film without him. And I don’t have to because that’s what ROBOCOP 3 is for.

    I mean, I like Robert John Burke and all… but goddamn.

  5. I always thought Peter Weller was the Roy Scheider of our times. Solid, consistent actor who ended up in some classic films, but didn’t take big flashy oscar roles and consequently never got the respect he deserved.

  6. Weller has one thing over Brodie.

    He’s got a Ph.D.

  7. And better lips. Playing Robocop is all about the lips.

  8. I can’t speak for the authenticity of this report, but according to lots of different sources Miller’s first draft for Robocop had enough plot and detail to be two movies. They hacked it to shit, then convinced him they would treat him better on the next movie, so he signed on, and then they did it again, even worse. His original script was made into a comic book that I haven’t read, but it’s gotten good notices.

  9. The Robocop remake is a green light. It is supposedly being directed by
    Darren Aronosky. I shit you not.

  10. Shit me you can mate.

    Pass or fail, that remake should be fucking fascinating.

  11. Robocop 3: Vern underestimates the importance of Samurai Robots. I can forgive a film a lot of its flaws for Samurai Robots.

    (In all fairness, I think I disliked #2 even more than #3. #1 was great though.)

    A remake of Robocop? I’m hoping it fails dismally, that way it’s barely possible that some good original films will get the funding they deserve. Barely…

  12. Paul – No offense mate, but “good original” movies don’t have funding affected or not by the presence of a remake property.

    Hollywood would simply go to another abused or soon to be ravished property.

  13. Yeah but if the remakes stop making money… etc, etc, etc…

    Ah, who am I kidding? One might as well hypothesize “if I get a double-date with Kristin Bell and Mila Kunis”.

  14. I thought Aaronofsky’s Robocop remake has already been cancelled again. He was in talks of doing it for one or two years, but a few months ago it fell apart. At least that’s what I’ve heard.

  15. The most amazing thing about this classic film is how bad a time everyone had making this movie. Nobody liked each other, shit kept going wrong and Weller really suffered for his art in that suit. I disagree about a remake but then I was proved wrong with Dawn of the Dead when I pissed and moaned about that. Still,i t will be wierd to remake such a “recent” film.

  16. Robocop is a perfect example of why a genre movie doesn’t have to suck and can be smart as well

    I’D BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!

  17. and what is with Verhoeven and co ed showers? not that I’m complaining

  18. I think ROBOCOP is the greatest hardcore sic-fi action film of all-time. It blew you through the back of the theater like DIE HARD did.

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  20. I have to admit I have never completely embraced the first one as a classic, or personal favorite. Some stuff still leaves me squeamish, or rolling my eyes. But I’m willing to admit now however that the rest of it makes for a great story, equal parts FRANKENSTEIN, BLADE RUNNER and DIRTY HARRY. Topped off by not making the city of Detroit, both old and new, look too futuristic. That is what, for me, helps even the scales of crime and sci-fi.

    My interest in the remake is similar to what Vern pointed out. Aside from what he already mentioned in the review it could be a comment on the crossover between advancing technology, and how corporate greed can use it for frightening means. How what could bridge us to a better future can, in the wrong hands, bring us closer to destruction. That’s my hope, at least.

    Speaking of Weller, look up his interview on Kevin Pollak’s internet show. Should be on YouTube. Talks about his friendships and working relationships with Woody Allen, Miles Davis, Mike Nichols and a host of other really interesting subjects. It all leads up to his experience and interpretation of playing the character for the first film.

  21. Finally watched the trilogy back-to-back for the first time and the first still holds up as just fucking incredible. Verhoeven’s sci-fi threesome of this, STARSHIP TROOPERS and TOTAL RECALL is just cinema gold.

    But the ROBOCOP sequels are hamstrung by the first being pretty much sequel-proofed: kinda like HIGHLANDER.

    Still, I remember seeing ROBOCOP 2 when it first came out and geeking out over it in anticipation – here was a sequel to a movie I loved written by a (then) comic book god, Frank Miller, and it was – and remains – such a let down. All the ingredients and there but somehow, it winds up tasting mostly like shit.

    Part 3 I’ve never seen til today and yeah, it’s a stinker.

    No idea if Miller’s original, mammoth script for part 2 was just chopped up and recycled for 3 but it feels that way; made up of off-cuts, diluted to sell toys and cartoons to kids. At one point there’s even a TV ad for such things in the movie. The film doesn’t even realise it’s mocking itself.

    An ignominious end to the film franchise and sadly an inevitable one in many ways. No wonder Weller got out. Even poor Nancy allen (who, to me, never quite looked comfortable in the films) checks out with hardly any fanfare.

  22. I read Miller saying that working on the third film was a much more pleasant experience for him than the second one, and that he and Dekker swapped drafts etc., so it sounds like he was involved in it fairly directly

  23. The Canadian Robocop series they did was actually pretty good. Best sequel we’ve gotten so far. It’s available as four 90 minute movies now. On Netflix.

  24. Pretty disapointing. It looks like something from a cheap DTV knock off of ROBOCOP.

  25. Well, with this new FAUXBOCOP ™ costume, at least we finally have a catalyst for a long overdue discussion on this websight about Batman.

  26. I’m dying of laughter over here.

  27. Didn’t the Avengers just kill like a thousand of those things?

  28. I expected him to be… shinier.

    Well, look, I really dig that they’re doing their own thing, and I actually kinda like that helmet. I just hope the whole movie doesn’t resemble that bit in the G.I. Joe movie where those guys in the robo-suits run around diving through buses and shit.

  29. Thats from the new Asylum flick RobotCop

    (we wish)

  30. I get the criticism, but I wouldn’t be so quick to judge until we look at the trailer, blah blah blah…okay it looks bad. Not bad, but generic, which I suppose is worse. But if the quality of the story rises above what is really just a more crucial piece of costume design, I see no right to complain.

  31. I hope they’re planning to CGI a chainsaw or some nunchucks onto his right hand there. I can’t imagine anything that would make Nobocop look less badass than having his pink widdle fingies hanging out.

  32. I reckon I’m close to being a Jose Padhila completist, since I’ve seen the 3 movies of his that I can feasibly get my hands on, so of course I’ll see the new ROBOCOP, or ROBEAUCOP ® as my ladyfriend with a crush on Joel Kinnaman calls it.

    I wasn’t feeling ELITE SQUAD for the first 40 minutes or so. Then the relentlessness of the filmatism, the pitch perfect underhanded motor pool parts-swapping sequence that I can relate to from Fort Bragg experiences, and the badass BOPE training sequences hit me, and I don’t think I took another full breath for the rest of the movie.

    ELITE SQUAD 2 was also really solid, really well acted, and I’ll probably be watching the series and showing it to uninitiated friends once every few years for the rest of my life.

    BUS 174, including the dvd’s Padhila interview special feature, is a superb documentary.

    So I’m optimistic… ish. I just wish they’d rename the motherfucker. Like, TOTAL REBOOT (2012) was a pretty entertaining movie; I liked it. But why the fuck couldn’t they just call it something else? Like the Parker-Porter thing.

    Why do I have to be compelled to specify, in my mind and in conversation with friends for the rest of my life, “real TOTAL RECALL” versus “the PG-13 bullshit TOTAL RECALL that’s not that bad a movie in its own right but probably shouldn’t exist”?

    And now I’m pissed off b/c I sound like the guy Louis CK ridicules about complaining about hitting an English/Espanol button on the ATM. Goddamnation, screw this I’m going to watch o.g. INDIANA JONES at the movie theatre.

  33. hahahahaha, holy shit, that new outfit looks lame

    why in the hell did they make it BLACK!?

  34. I never once thought about how RoboCop would look in the remake. Now I know and I am deeply depressed. He looks like the most generic cyborg ever. I just wanna go back to bed right now…

  35. It looks more like one of those nano suits from CRYSIS.

  36. WEll, we don’t know if it’s really THE new Robocop. According to McWeeny’s short Twitter script remarks, there is a scene where several designs are tested out, so maybe this is oen of them.

  37. I actually don’t think it looks terrible or anything, I just think it should look like Robocop. Didn’t they learn the lesson from Godzilla? You wouldn’t make a movie about Zorro where he doesn’t look like Zorro, or Mickey Mouse where he doesn’t look like Mickey Mouse. But yeah, maybe this is not THE Robocop? I don’t know.

  38. I’m with you on the title thing, Mouth. It’s shit having to specify which version of The Thing you’re talking about.

    I get just as annoyed with all the Director’s Cuts and Extended Cuts and Final Cuts out there. You don’t get that shit in literature. You don’t have to explain to people which version of The Old Man And The Sea you’re talking about. There is only one The Old Man And The Sea and that’s it.

    A Director’s cut makes sense to me when a filmmaker has been fucked over, like Scott was with Blade Runner, but it has since been turned into a marketing and money-making scheme and I fucking hate it.

    Just give me a single coherent whole, not a dozen different versions. Sadly, the days of directors having Final Cut are in danger, I think.

    Also, Robocop 2.0 better still have a massive handgun popping out of his thigh, man.

  39. Shoot, it reminded me of CRYSIS as well.

  40. Clarence Boddicker is one of my favorite movie bad guys. Him and his gang were part of what made Robocop such a great movie. Them and everything else. A near perfect movie in my eyes. I hope they do it justice in a remake.

  41. Ace – yeah, Boddicker is an AMAZING villain. I loved/hated him as a kid and only recently understood the genius of the character and the casting – he looks middle-aged, he has glasses, he’s not really built or muscular, but he’s funny and quotable and scary as shit and you kinda believe he can beat Robocop (and he nearly does). The makers of Robocop were smart enough and ballsy enough to have someone human and weaselly like Boddicker be the main villain and keep ED209 as the secondary villain. It’s almost a miracle looking back on it that the film didn’t end with Boddicker turning into a bigger, badder cyborg (like the sequel).

    One thing that gives me hope about the reboot is that there doesn’t seem to be a Boddicker (or Dick Jones, or even an Ann Lewis!) I honestly hope it’s an original story that just uses the premise of the original Robocop and nothing else.

  42. Keeping my fingers crossed that we’ll all be dead by then.

  43. I watched ROBOCOP 2 last night and I think it’s really underrated. Yes, it’s not as good as ROBOCOP, but neither is every other movie on the planet. Yes, it’s too broad and cartoony but Verhoeven is a goddamn genius of deadpan satire. Yes, it’s scatterbrained and kind of incoherent, but there is enough great stuff in there for three ROBOCOP movies. ROBOCOP 2 has nothing to be ashamed of. The movie, not the robot. He should definitely be ashamed of himself. Did anyone else notice how blue Robocop’s armour is in ROBOCOP 2? Maybe it’s because he’s depressed (his wife, etc). I’ve read the comic that is supposedly more faithful to Miller’s original script and I don’t think it’s much better. Actually I think it’s worse in a lot of ways.

    ROBOCOP 3 is still total bullshit. It’s interesting how the landscape has changed for R-rated blockbusters. ROBOCOP, ALIENS, THE TERMINATOR… kids loved those movies! They had comic books, Saturday morning cartoons and action figures! I can’t imagine that happening for DREDD or PUNISHER WAR ZONE (yes, there are Punisher comics, but they are made for fat, angry, ponytailed 25 year olds and me).

  44. Thank you! I have always loved ROBOCOP 2. It’s a gross, mean, nasty, hilarious big-budget Troma movie. It’s only crime is not being as good as ROBOCOP. But neither is CASABLANCA and you don’t see anybody giving that one shit for it.

  45. Saw Robocop 2 last night. I forgot how fucking brutal the thing was. The part when they cut open Officer Duffy while he’s still alive is by far the most unpleasant thing I’ve seen in a movie this year.

  46. Let me just say that I still, to this day, have never actually watched Robocop 3. I may have caught glimpses of it on Showtime a long time ago, but that was pretty much it. I have read that it was terrible and friends of mine have told me that I have done myself a favor in not watching it.

    With all the flack that Robocop 2 gets, I still think it was actually decent. Sure, it didn’t live up to the first film because the guy Cain is not as a good of a villain as Clarence Boddicker was, but it was still not bad. Plus, I still found the scenes with Robocop telling Lewis that she is pretty and firing his gun at a smoker to be hilarious, same with his “bad language makes for bad feelings” line.

    The first one will always be a classic. I still love all those random commercials. They were funny. Also, you can’t help but think that the violence factor was quite brutal for that era.

    One other thing about Robocop 2, because you mentioned Frank Miller originally wrote the script, I have read the comic version of that script brought to life and while it can be enjoyable in some areas, the book did not make sense much. If you want to check it out, do so, but it’s a lot different than one would think. Plus, the main villain looks like a skank and she is supposed to be a gifted scientist (I guess SOME scientists out there look like Hustler models who are well-endowed and wear miniskirts). Not to mention sexualizing the Ann Lewis character. You could probably read a review somewhere about it or just find a way to read it for free. In hindsight, it isn’t all that great but you kind of need to see to know what I mean.

    As for the reboot, I am probably going to skip that.

  47. “Let me just say that I still, to this day, have never actually watched Robocop 3. I may have caught glimpses of it on Showtime a long time ago, but that was pretty much it. I have read that it was terrible and friends of mine have told me that I have done myself a favor in not watching it.”

    You have good friends.

    And I still laugh thinking of how IRON MAN 2′s 3rd act more or less was a remake of ROBOCOP 2′s 3rd act.

  48. The Original... Paul

    February 17th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Just seen this thread for the first time since commenting on it back in November, including the suit. Honestly, I don’t think you can judge a “Robocop” suit without first seeing how it moves. Does it glitter in the light, does it have a metallic sheen to it, do the joints in the legs look mechanical, etc. The whole suit thing bothers me rather less than IT’S A FUCKING REMAKE OF FUCKING “ROBOCOP”. Childhood-killing motherfuckers, etc, etc.

    The only thing I liked about Robocop 2 – and I really disliked that movie, I thought and still do think that pretty much every character in it is mediocre, annoying, or (in Cain’s or that bloody kid’s case) both – was the suicidal/homicidal insane prototype that gets about seven seconds of screen time. Seriously, the entire movie is almost worth suffering through for the sake of watching that one scene. Why couldn’t the rest of the movie be about him?

  49. According to wiki, Joe Walsh appears in the first film. Is this true?

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