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does anyone else really, really miss the 90's?
Griff
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the 90's man, what a fucking awesome decade, am I right?

we had it made man, we had it made as a country, as a culture and then 9/11 had to ruin everything Cry

but seriously though, I miss the 90's real fucking bad, I know that some bad things happened during that decade, but they all seem pretty small when compared to the bad stuff that has happened in the last ten years

it may sound weird, but sometimes I honestly wish I could re-live the 90's as an adult instead of a kid, I think it would be interesting…

at the end of the day what I'm really getting nostalgic for is my childhood, but there is NO denying that we, as a country, were far fucking better off back then than we are now

the 90's are "my" decade, just as people in the past used to get nostalgic for the 50's or the 60's (or how people get nostalgic for the 80's today) the 90's is what I look back to as the "good old days", I'm not gonna say they were perfect, but they were a lot better than the horrendous modern day

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Same here, man. The music didn't suck, the movies were better, I had less problems, bla bla bla.

 

(Of course it was probably the same shit like today, but in my head, the 90's were a lot better than everything that came after 2001)

And then he pooped on the podium.
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The early 90´s I guess, when Guns N Roses still was a great fuckin band adn T2 kicked ass at the box office.I guess my nostalgia around the 90´s ends around 1994. The summer that year Sweden kicked ass in the World Cup I was chillin as hell that summer, no worries or responsibilities. A great time but after that I can´t seem to have many emotional attachments to the 90´s. Maybe a few other memories, but music started to suck with Nirvana and all that grunge garbage and from there it was downhill for awhile when it came to rock. Heavy metal in particular hit a bad trend and was marginalized.

Maybe for those who appreciate progressive rock like the decade better, the 90´s rock made a clean break with the overblown arenarock of the past years but also became less fun in the process in my opinion.

 

You also had bullshit like KLF,Ace of Base…blergh!

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CJ Holden
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Dude, don't be dissin' the KLF!

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"I guess my nostalgia around the 90´s ends around 1994."

Although I was quite young during the 90's my understanding as a scholar of art and culture leads me to a similar conclusion. 

It seems to me that the 1990's were an incredibly nihilistic decade.  One that was summed up pretty conclusively by the sort of nothing-means-anything attitude of The Big Lebowski.  In 1999 you had shit like Fight Club and Being John Malkovich push things in a new direction, and I think they belong more to the Aughties in spirit if not in their release dates.

People rag on the 80's but there was just an immeasurable amount of good shit during that decade.  The basic truth of the matter is, when assholes are in charge, you have better art because there's something tangible to rebel against.  Clinton was an asshole for sure, but it was in numerous ways a prosperous, contented time compared to the Regan and Bush dynasties.  If you're able to look somewhat beneath the surface, I believe there was better culture to be found in the decades that bookended the 90's.

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Do I miss the 90s? Oh God, fuck no. In terms of non-ironic badassery, we're still feeling the fallout from that terrible navel-gazing decade, when rock stars had to complain about their childhood instead of rocking and action heroe had to be sensitive instead of awesome. The 90s also introduced the idea of "transcending the genre" so instead of getting stuff that just was what it was and made no apologies, you got psychological thrillers instead of horror movies, prestige epics instead of sword-and-sandal swordfests, whiny bitches instead of guitar gods, and Keanu Reeves instead of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Now you can't be badass, you have to be "badass." That's the 90s fault. With its endless pop culture recycling, it tore everything down and left us nothing to build it back up with. 

Also, I'm still pissed at the 90s for the fashion. Not only did I have to go to college at a time when all the girls were obscuring their curves in carpenter pants, but I was skinny as hell the whole decade and had to hide my youthful litheness in baggy jeans and oversized T-shirts. Now that I'm old and fighting a gut is when clothes actually fit again. Thanks a lot, the 90s.

The only thing I miss about the 90s was the hip-hop, and that's because, if you apply rock & roll's arc to it, the genre was in its 1970s at the time.

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"The only thing I miss about the 90s was the hip-hop, and that's because, if you apply rock & roll's arc to it, the genre was in its 1970s at the time."

Does that mean that the 2010's are hip hop's 1990's?  This could get confusing.

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It means exactly that, and it makes sense if you think about it. The big rap stars of the moment are sensitive crybabies like Kanye and Drake, which is analogous to the cockrockers of the 80s (who, in hip-hop terms, would be your 50 Cents and various one-hit wonder southern rappers of the 2000s) being usurped by the Kurt Cobains and Eddie Vedders of the world. 

I can also compare hip-hop to jazz, but the math is a little hinkier.

CJ Holden
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I remember having on another message board once a discussion about the theory that 1996 was the greatest year for hip hop or the last good one or somethign like that. Don't have much to add to this theory (because I'm more a casual hip hop listener), other that in 1996 one of the best German hip hop songs was released:

 

http://youtu.be/-BXf0u2a-U4

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1994 is widely considered hip-hop's peak, but I will make a case for 1992. It was a little weirder, a little funnier, a little more diverse.

By 1996, however, Biggie and Tupac had already gone pop and/or dead, so it can't be the peak. But since I consider the release of Puffy's first solo album in 1997 to be hip-hop's The Day The Music Died, I can see the sense in saying that 1996 was the genre's last great year.

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My theory is that the 90s were when postmodernism went mainstream.  This is probably why every thing was so self-conscious all the time.  Every form of popular art was simultaneously reflecting on itself as a work of art.  It was all very meta.  I'll put forth three television shows as examples: Twin Peaks (which began in the 80s but ended in the 90s, if I'm not mistaken), Northern Exposure, and The X-Files.  I didn't watch all of these shows during their initial run, but they struck as all having a similar mindset.  Twin Peaks was a soap opera that played clips from another soap opera that was in fact a satire of soap operas.  Northern Exposure inserted random dialogues about metaphysics and surreal moments, all with a winking knowingness that this is a TV show.  And the X-Files episode, "Jose Chung's From Outer Space," is pretty much a dissertation on postmodernism.  Anyway, I grew up during the 90s (and a good chunk of the 80s), which is probably why I read the title of this thread as a sarcastic attack on the decade instead of a sincere love the 90s.

Finally, I would like to defend grunge.  This is the music I loved in my prepubescent and early pubescent years, and I still love it.  It's usually described as humorless, but this couldn't be farther from the truth.  Sure, there were a bunch of pseudo-grunge bands that took themselves way too seriously, but they were mostly groups who didn't come from the original Seattle scene.  There's a lot of funny, absurdist wordplay in Nirvana's work.  Soundgarden could switch back and forth between wanting to be a modern age Old Testament prophet and a band who just wanted to goof off (see: their "cover" of One Minute of Silence).  And other Seattle bands who didn't get as much exposure were equally absurdist.  The Melvins had a lot of fun playing up metal tropes (hell, they named one of their albums Stoner Witch), but you can tell they truly loved the genre.  It wasn't all just ironic winking. 

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"Finally, I would like to defend grunge. "

But everybody who is serious about grunge listens to the late 80's stuff.  Mudhoney slaughters all the bands you cited.  And OF COURSE all real Melvins fans worship the pre-major-label-selling-out 80's fare.  I mean I like pretty much everything Melvins have done but isn't this the conventional wisdom?

 

On hip hop: surely we're not claiming that gangsta rap is the only worthwhile form of the stuff?  Obviously the early 90's rule as far as the gangsta stuff goes, being the golden years of Biggie, Pac, Wu Tang, Dre, etc.  Scarface – The Diary maybe.  But the art rap scene definitely reaches its zenith in the aughts:  MF Doom, Saul Williams, Mike Ladd, Blackalicious, and cetera. No disrespect to Del and Kool Keith but, I'm sayin.

Actually I'm quite surprised by the claim.  I thought most hip hop snobs think the genre died after the 80's, post KMD/De La Soul/ATCQ/Schooly D/Tone Loc/Run DMC/Main Source/Paul's Boutique/on and on and on.

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Who said anything about gangsta rap? I only mentioned Biggie and Tupac because their deaths, however you feel about them as artists, represent the end of the golden age. It all started going downhill pretty quick after that, as both were labeled martyrs and  lionized by the incoming freshman class of rappers, causing everyone to try to be one or the other. These roles were then cemented by record labels, who breathed a sigh of relief that they had finally found a couple of hip-hop archetypes they could reliably sell. Rap was now big business, and while there continues to be good music made, it was never all that interesting ever again.

But I did not come here to be negative. I came here to sing the praises of 1992.

Mecca and the Soul Brother

Check Your Head

Whut? The Album

Daily Operation

The Predator

Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde

Sex & Violence

The Fucking Chronic

That's a ridiculous number of classics. If I made a list of my favorite hip-hop albums ever made, it would look a lot like that.

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Mr. Majestyk said
Do I miss the 90s? Oh God, fuck no. In terms of non-ironic badassery, we're still feeling the fallout from that terrible navel-gazing decade, when rock stars had to complain about their childhood instead of rocking and action heroe had to be sensitive instead of awesome. The 90s also introduced the idea of "transcending the genre" so instead of getting stuff that just was what it was and made no apologies, you got psychological thrillers instead of horror movies, prestige epics instead of sword-and-sandal swordfests, whiny bitches instead of guitar gods, and Keanu Reeves instead of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Now you can't be badass, you have to be "badass." That's the 90s fault. With its endless pop culture recycling, it tore everything down and left us nothing to build it back up with. 

Also, I'm still pissed at the 90s for the fashion. Not only did I have to go to college at a time when all the girls were obscuring their curves in carpenter pants, but I was skinny as hell the whole decade and had to hide my youthful litheness in baggy jeans and oversized T-shirts. Now that I'm old and fighting a gut is when clothes actually fit again. Thanks a lot, the 90s.

The only thing I miss about the 90s was the hip-hop, and that's because, if you apply rock & roll's arc to it, the genre was in its 1970s at the time.

that's pretty interesting, to be fair I have no idea what it would have been like to be a teen/adult during the 90's, I'm going from a kid's perspective, but I can tell you that the 90's was an awesome decade to be a kid, the cartoons were good, the video games were good and the movies were (mostly) good 

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Majestyk, that's a formidable list of albums.  Gawd I loves me some music.  There's way more good stuff from any decade than one could ever absorb.

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renfield said
"Finally, I would like to defend grunge. "

But everybody who is serious about grunge listens to the late 80's stuff.  Mudhoney slaughters all the bands you cited.  And OF COURSE all real Melvins fans worship the pre-major-label-selling-out 80's fare.  I mean I like pretty much everything Melvins have done but isn't this the conventional wisdom?

 

I almost discussed Mudhoney up there.  I think a lot of this common wisdom when it comes to people who are really into this type of music, but the general public thinks of grunge as dour, self-serious garbage, like Candlebox.  I even hear some real music fans talk about bands from the original Seattle scene and all of the copycats as if they're the same beast, when they're really quite different. 

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Thought I'd post this because not only does it make me miss the 90s, it's also the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen. Behold:

 

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Can't do the embed for some reason (what the fuck is an iframe??!). So behold this link instead: 

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Hmmmmmm dunno why that worked but there ya go.

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RBatty024 said
My theory is that the 90s were when postmodernism went mainstream.  This is probably why every thing was so self-conscious all the time.  Every form of popular art was simultaneously reflecting on itself as a work of art.  It was all very meta.  I'll put forth three television shows as examples: Twin Peaks (which began in the 80s but ended in the 90s, if I'm not mistaken), Northern Exposure, and The X-Files.  I didn't watch all of these shows during their initial run, but they struck as all having a similar mindset.  Twin Peaks was a soap opera that played clips from another soap opera that was in fact a satire of soap operas.  Northern Exposure inserted random dialogues about metaphysics and surreal moments, all with a winking knowingness that this is a TV show.  And the X-Files episode, "Jose Chung's From Outer Space," is pretty much a dissertation on postmodernism.  Anyway, I grew up during the 90s (and a good chunk of the 80s), which is probably why I read the title of this thread as a sarcastic attack on the decade instead of a sincere love the 90s.

Finally, I would like to defend grunge.  This is the music I loved in my prepubescent and early pubescent years, and I still love it.  It's usually described as humorless, but this couldn't be farther from the truth.  Sure, there were a bunch of pseudo-grunge bands that took themselves way too seriously, but they were mostly groups who didn't come from the original Seattle scene.  There's a lot of funny, absurdist wordplay in Nirvana's work.  Soundgarden could switch back and forth between wanting to be a modern age Old Testament prophet and a band who just wanted to goof off (see: their "cover" of One Minute of Silence).  And other Seattle bands who didn't get as much exposure were equally absurdist.  The Melvins had a lot of fun playing up metal tropes (hell, they named one of their albums Stoner Witch), but you can tell they truly loved the genre.  It wasn't all just ironic winking.

 

you know, I actually like postmodernism and meta stuff (which is a big reason why Metal Gear Solid 2 is one of my favorite video games, since it's the first post-modern one), so maybe that's one reason why I like the 90's so much

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